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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Red » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:08 pm

Festus wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:27 pm
I emailed photos to Joe at cycle terminal and I’m waiting for his response. Otherwise, I might recycle the existing terminal.
Festus,

Here are more sources for "imported" bike connectors:

https://www.fjriders.com/forums/viewtop ... 665#p42065

Hope that helps.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Hppants » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:12 am

Stating the obvious, if we knew who manufactured Yamaha's electrical harness, we'd be in tall cotton. Here in Lafayette, we have an electronics store that is the Bee's Knees. I'd bring that terminal to the old man behind the counter, and with his 50 years of experience, he'd probably find it. Festus - do you have such a place where you live?
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Festus » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:52 pm

I think Joe at Cycleterminal.com has got me straight. Ordered them this morning.

Gears came in today, everything is right! WOOOHOOOO!!!!!!!!
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Post by wheatonFJR » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:34 pm

That 13 is gonna be bitchen when you are done with it. Thanks for going through the hassle of documenting your work.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Festus » Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm

Interesting note. Viper Dad and I noticed the shifter rubber being tapered on Jolene and on his bike as well. We weren't sure if they were tapered from wear or made that way.

Today, we know....new one! (did you seriously think I'd wax the swingarm but not replace the rubber on the shifter?)
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Post by raYzerman » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:30 pm

Wowzer! Tranny's and porn, whoda thunk it!
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by fencer » Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:05 am

I am glad you are figuring this all out. my 2nd gear has been jumping for 30k miles or more. You can do mine with your experience when you are done.

I wonder if this would have been covered under YES?

Mine was still in warranty when it started and when I asked the dealer he said no, It is a wear item.
I should have pressed it
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by LKLD » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:01 am

fencer wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:05 am
I am glad you are figuring this all out. my 2nd gear has been jumping for 30k miles or more. You can do mine with your experience when you are done.

I wonder if this would have been covered under YES?

Mine was still in warranty when it started and when I asked the dealer he said no, It is a wear item.
I should have pressed it
Fencer, I feel your pain. Living with this 2nd gear issue sucks...big time! My dealership said the same thing, and then quoted me $2,500-$4,000, depending what they found. The FJR isn't the only model to suffer this either, as the R1 & R6 have the same issue. It's no wonder Yamaha felt the need for a slipper clutch.

I think pushing hard against the dealership, and getting a regional Yamaha rep involved, would get better results. At least maybe pay for the labor.

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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by BkerChuck » Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:37 am

Yamaha suffered the second gear issue back in 1984-85 with the FJ-1100 and maybe even before that. One would think that by now they should be able to do something to alleviate the issue. I don't recall any of my friends on other brands talking about this with their Hondas or Kawis during that same period.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by raYzerman » Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:25 am

I doubt this will get warranty coverage unless it's really early in the bike's life. Could the design be better, most likely... we won't know unless we examined a Honda or Kawi gear set. So let's just say certain Yamahas need to be shifted positively into second (to ensure full engagement of the dogs) and always use the clutch. A slipper clutch will not help much at all IMHO, that's only on decel. My practice is to not wildly accelerate in first, wait until second is engaged then accelerate as hard as you want. Your back tires will last longer too.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by ionbeam » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:26 am

...Yamahas need to be shifted positively into second (to ensure full engagement of the dogs) and always use the clutch...
^^^ Shift quickly and positively into gear. Also, don't let your shifting foot rest and put pressure on the shift lever which keeps pressure on the shift drum and fork(s) as you ride down the road.

Sometimes the transmission won't want to shift into gear -- DO NOT -- keep banging the shifter or pressing harder; lightly feather the clutch out/in and it will go right into gear. If the transmission doesn't go into gear and you stomp/press the shift lever all you are going to do is bend the shift forks.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Hppants » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:56 am

This thread has forced me to be more conscientious with my shifting, particularly with the 1-2 shift. I've always "pre-loaded" the shifter, a habit I was taught many years ago. And I've never been much of a squid rider, although I do enjoy running the engine up the tach every now and then. When I do that, I tend to start the run in 2nd gear anyway. I take the couple of seconds to scan the road for debris, fluid, side hazards, etc. By that time, I'm in 2nd gear.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Festus » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:25 am

Just a quick double check here, the service manual calls for Yamabond 1215. They don't make that any longer. I thought I read that Yamabond #4 was the replacement. Can anyone confirm that?

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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Festus » Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:26 am

fencer wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:05 am
I am glad you are figuring this all out. my 2nd gear has been jumping for 30k miles or more. You can do mine with your experience when you are done.
No need, just follow this thread and fix it yourself! If I can do it, you can too.

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Post by Viper_Dad » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:32 pm

I cannot wait to get my hands dirty with Jolene. No gloves this time... I'm going bareback! She's going to be soaring down the highway in no time.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by Festus » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:58 pm

Viper_Dad wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:32 pm
I cannot wait to get my hands dirty with Jolene. No gloves this time... I'm going bareback! She's going to be soaring down the highway in no time.
Bareback? Or Brokeback? Either answer is wrong if you plan on helping me :mrgreen:
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by wheatonFJR » Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:59 pm

Festus wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:26 am
fencer wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:05 am
I am glad you are figuring this all out. my 2nd gear has been jumping for 30k miles or more. You can do mine with your experience when you are done.
No need, just follow this thread and fix it yourself! If I can do it, you can too.
That's right we can ALL do this now!!!! Can't wait!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by raYzerman » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:49 pm

The Yamabond is a liquid gasket maker, shouldn't dry AFAIK or will dry very slowly..... however, no harm in using good old RTV gasket maker, which doesn't firm up too quick so you have a lot of open time. I used the red high temp stuff between engine cases of the dirt bike (there are no gaskets there).... 'cuz you can see the squeeze-out and clean it off (after it sets up a bit is best). Once your case halves are assembled, you're good to go next day.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by 0face » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 pm

Festus wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm
Interesting note. Viper Dad and I noticed the shifter rubber being tapered on Jolene and on his bike as well. We weren't sure if they were tapered from wear or made that way.

Today, we know....new one! (did you seriously think I'd wax the swingarm but not replace the rubber on the shifter?)
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Dammit! I just ordered a bunch of parts and forgot I needed one of those. Shit!


Thanks for the reminder tho.
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Re: Jolene, Jolene, Jolene...

Post by NTXFJR » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:01 pm

BkerChuck wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:37 am
Yamaha suffered the second gear issue back in 1984-85 with the FJ-1100 and maybe even before that. One would think that by now they should be able to do something to alleviate the issue. I don't recall any of my friends on other brands talking about this with their Hondas or Kawis during that same period.
The Honda V65's of that era had some 2nd gear issues as well.


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Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:18 pm
Festus wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:28 pm
Interesting note. Viper Dad and I noticed the shifter rubber being tapered on Jolene and on his bike as well. We weren't sure if they were tapered from wear or made that way.

Today, we know....new one! (did you seriously think I'd wax the swingarm but not replace the rubber on the shifter?)
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Dammit! I just ordered a bunch of parts and forgot I needed one of those. Shit!


Thanks for the reminder tho.
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