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Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:05 pm
by Hppants
^^^^^^ all very good points.

Wonderful discussion, here. I am enjoying this greatly.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:21 pm
by raYzerman
My thought is the FJR will be gone in the EU and a redesign isn't going to happen.... the redesign necessary isn't going to make a good business case.... engine displacements are going to get smaller for that market, and redesigning the FJR engine to have VVT, etc. for a unique application (translate small sport tourer market) isn't likely IMHO. Perhaps a resurgence of litre bikes or more applications for the 900 triple, meaning lighter bikes...... meanwhile if the FJR has a year or two left in it for North America, then great.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:25 pm
by bungie4
gixxerjasen wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:52 am
Hppants wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:29 am
Jasen - you are correct, in 18 years, it's changed very little. But next year, it has to change a LOT, and I'm afraid the juice simply won't be worth the squeeze.....
I bet we don't see one for 2021. They'll spend a few years doing the R&D and then have a rerelease with much fanfare. 18 years of solid sales of a single model of motorcycle is a big success to walk away from. I'd really be surprised if they aren't looking at the next 18 year platform.

Not a lot of bikes have that kind of longevity without major frequent changes. Interesting how we have several members here with at least two of those bikes, the FJR and the DRZ. :)
I think it lived that long because their were no changes. More time to recoup investment. Had it required constant change to stay competitive, it likely wouldn't have survived such low unit sales.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:29 pm
by wheatonFJR
raYzerman wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:21 pm
My thought is the FJR will be gone in the EU and a redesign isn't going to happen.... the redesign necessary isn't going to make a good business case.... engine displacements are going to get smaller for that market, and redesigning the FJR engine to have VVT, etc. for a unique application (translate small sport tourer market) isn't likely IMHO. Perhaps a resurgence of litre bikes or more applications for the 900 triple, meaning lighter bikes...... meanwhile if the FJR has a year or two left in it for North America, then great.
I doubt I can wear out this FJR before I need to transition to a smaller bike with a narrower seat for hip issues like petey did.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:37 pm
by Uncle Hud
wheatonFJR wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:48 pm
That would work if all the Harley owners would see the light...but not even all the people on an FJR riders board own an FJR...so I think that we've been happy to have it this long as it is. Thanks for this awesomely designed inexpensive (compared to the BMW-Harley lineup) sport-touring machine.
So let an H-D buddy ride your bike for 15 minutes. I've done it, and the guy came back with his eyes bugging out. Not sure what he'd do with all his H-D gear and tattoos, but ...

I've got my eye on a new and slimmer Hondapotamus.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:04 pm
by wheatonFJR
Uncle Hud wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:37 pm
wheatonFJR wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:48 pm
That would work if all the Harley owners would see the light...but not even all the people on an FJR riders board own an FJR...so I think that we've been happy to have it this long as it is. Thanks for this awesomely designed inexpensive (compared to the BMW-Harley lineup) sport-touring machine.
So let an H-D buddy ride your bike for 15 minutes. I've done it, and the guy came back with his eyes bugging out. Not sure what he'd do with all his H-D gear and tattoos, but ...

I've got my eye on a new and slimmer Hondapotamus.
I hear that thing is a dog compared to the FJR...and not the couch tourer that wingers have come to expect. Honda screwed the pooch AGAIN. How the mighty have fallen...

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:35 am
by danh600
CraigRegs wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:11 am
danh600 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 am
I just need one more FJR after the one I have. I want to wait. My wife is actually encouraging me to get one now while I am working and making money.
Geez Louise, if my wife encouraged me to get a bike now, I'd go get the bike NOW and put it on a shelf until I've worn out the current one.
It's a trap. :lol:

Remember she likes bikes as much as I do.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:45 pm
by gixxerjasen
danh600 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:35 am

It's a trap. :lol:
The other trap is when my wife says "Fine, do whatever you want."

That does NOT mean for me to do whatever I want. These things are tricky.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:54 pm
by CraigRegs
gixxerjasen wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 3:45 pm
danh600 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:35 am

It's a trap. :lol:
The other trap is when my wife says "Fine, do whatever you want."

That does NOT mean for me to do whatever I want. These things are tricky.
It also does not mean things are fine...

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:54 pm
by gixxerjasen
I do have an ace up my sleeve to use one day. When the FJR turned 70k miles she told me "About time to replace it right?" So, when the day DOES come to replace it, I'm pulling that one out.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:50 am
by danh600
Well, at least Honda is coming out with a "Sport-Touring" bike to help ease the pain of the demise of the FJR.

Image

The ONLY was to make that bike uglier is to add a top box!!!!!!!!

Sport touring??? What are you suppose to do? Hang a bag that looks like a nut sack off the back of that fender?

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:34 am
by Pterodactyl
danh600 wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:35 am
CraigRegs wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:11 am
danh600 wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 am
I just need one more FJR after the one I have. I want to wait. My wife is actually encouraging me to get one now while I am working and making money.
Geez Louise, if my wife encouraged me to get a bike now, I'd go get the bike NOW and put it on a shelf until I've worn out the current one.
It's a trap. :lol:

Remember she likes bikes as much as I do.
Spousal Unit encouraged me to buy a new bike on multiple occasions. It started the early 80s when she coaxed be into trading a Honda 550 for a BMW R80 in Santa Cruz. In 2007 she badgered me into getting a BMW R1200RT. I resisted to the point that the sales guy in Tacoma said he had seen guys begging their wives to let them buy a bike, but had never seen a guy resist his wife's urging to buy one; ultimately I relented and bought it. In 2013 she made the deal on my FJR while I was on a test ride; pretty good deal too. Two years ago we stopped in at the BMW dealer in Missoula. SU had a gift card she won in a mileage contest. There was a new GSA sitting on the floor and she said sit on it; so I did. She said I should get it; she wrote a check, so I did. Most recently I got a Ural with her support. So where is the trap you, may be wondering? On each occasion that I bought a new bike she whispered in my ear, "My turn." And indeed, each of these purchases was followed within a few months by SU getting a new bike or car. They are a devious lot.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:06 pm
by BikerGeek
Regarding the whole Euro 5 thing - I guess we'll just have to wait and see what Yamaha does. I wonder how closely related the FJR's engine is to any other, perhaps higher-volume, models that could justify the expense of updating the FJR's engine to meet the new requirements. And it's not like this new spec is any surprise for Yamaha.

Anyhoo. As for the 2020 FJR... Whew! Yamaha saved me the expense of getting a new one. I'm OK with the 2020 color, but it's nothing I'm compelled to run out and buy. Guess my dirty old whore '04 is gonna have to make do for at least another year.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:47 pm
by gixxerjasen
Pterodactyl wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:34 am
In 2013 she made the deal on my FJR while I was on a test ride; pretty good deal too.
I need my SU to spend some time with your SU. Back in 2005 we went to a dealership to look at a truck for me. We got to the sit down at the desk to discuss numbers and the salesman wrote a number on a post it note and put it in front of us. I put on my best frowny face and as I opened my mouth to tell the sales guy what I thought of said number, an excited voice to my right spouted out "Wow, we can TOTALLY afford that!!!"

She isn't even allowed to come vehicle shopping with me anymore. I even go buy her cars for her without her.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:22 am
by bill lumberg
The EU thing is interesting. But if the demise of the FJR were as long reported, there wouldn’t have been a 2014 for me to buy. When I had the 2014, I learned that there probably wouldn’t be any new FJR any more by the time I was ready to trade... I don’t think they’re going anywhere here. If they do, I’ll step
down to a Tenere.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:35 am
by Hppants
Here are three (presumably) independent sources citing that the 2020 FJR1300 is compliant with Euro 5 standards:

https://www.morebikes.co.uk/63669/new-b ... r-700-too/

https://www.webbikeworld.com/yamaha-rev ... -for-2020/

https://www.5-ways.co.uk/pages/news/new ... dition.htm

I'f this is true, I'd be very interested in the differences and how they got the exhaust numbers down.

The parts resellers do not have any listings for 2020 FJR parts, so I can't determine what parts differ from previous models (new exhaust can part number, for example)

I'm going to email Yamaha. Can't hurt to ask....

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:42 am
by wheatonFJR
Sounds like Kali vs rest of US setup. Hopefully, for those in the market, its a part that can be replaced easily with a pre-2020 part.

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:13 pm
by Hppants
Contacted Yamaha USA Motorsports. They have no comment regarding whether or not the NORTH AMERICAN 2020 FJR2020 is Euro 5 compliant. And they have no comment regarding ANYTHING on the European version. I got an email address for Yamaha Europe and I sent them a note. We will see....

Re: 2020 FJR1300

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 9:05 am
by Hppants
Greetings:

I'm interested in the 2020 FJR1300. I was wondering if you could tell me if this bike is Euro 5 compliant for emissions? Would you know if the North American version of this bike is Euro 5 compliant?

Thank you for your time.


"Bom dia,
A nossa empresa é representante da Yamaha Audio e Vídeo, para as questões que pretende terá de contactar a Yamaha Motors.
Tel: 21 472 21 00
Com os melhores cumprimentos."

Good morning

Our company is a representative of Yamaha Audio and Video, for the questions you want you will need to contact Yamaha Motors.
Tel: 21 472 21 00
With the best compliments.

Not willing to spend $$ on a European Phone call just yet....

And the beat goes on.....