Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

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Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by danh600 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:53 pm

There are two screws holding the lock cylinder on the saddle bag.
One is lost and the other is loose. They have a weird head on them. I don't have that tool. I want to replace both of them with a more common screw.
Anyone know the size of the screw?

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by bill lumberg » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:59 pm

Sorry. I don’t know. I bought a set of those bits from autozone for $5 and loctited them. And repeated for reasons obvious to you and I. In your shoes, I’d pull the lock and remaining screw and head to ace hardware. And spend 45 minutes trying to narrow that bastard down....
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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by FJRoss » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:07 pm

I replaced mine with standard Allen socket but don't recall the size. As Bill suggests, take the remaining one to your local hardware store for replacements for all of them. Pick up some blue Loctite while you're there. Never understood why Yamaha felt it was necessary to put security screws on the lock. You can't even get to it unless it is already unlocked!
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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by FJRPittsburgh » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:05 pm

I believe it's a security Torx 10. You can buy one at Harbor Freight cheap. It's a Torx screw with a little nipple in the middle. The Torx driver has a little dimple in the middle of it to match up with the screw head. Get some Locktite on those screws before you lose them.
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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by raYzerman » Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:58 pm

Size is M3 x 10mm Originals were T10 security Torx which you might be able to remove with a small flat screwdriver. Replacements can be any head, once loctited you'll likely never touch them again.
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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by ionbeam » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:24 am

FJRoss wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:07 pm
...Never understood why Yamaha felt it was necessary to put security screws on the lock...
[speculation] In industry, they sometimes use the 'security' screws because the center pin keeps the splines of the bit centered and engaged in the screw head to prevent stripping or cam-out when tightening. With the center hole of the bit over the pin in the screw head it must stay aligned. With the tiny fastener in an awkward position it *may* be used to make assembly easier. Dunno if the 'security' is the theft type or 'ensure' engagement type. [/speculation]

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by FJRoss » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:16 am

ionbeam wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:24 am
FJRoss wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:07 pm
...Never understood why Yamaha felt it was necessary to put security screws on the lock...
[speculation] In industry, they sometimes use the 'security' screws because the center pin keeps the splines of the bit centered and engaged in the screw head to prevent stripping or cam-out when tightening. With the center hole of the bit over the pin in the screw head it must stay aligned. With the tiny fastener in an awkward position it *may* be used to make assembly easier. Dunno if the 'security' is the theft type or 'ensure' engagement type. [/speculation]
You may be right but I thought that the whole point of going to Torx in the first place was for the "secure engagement". - that plus the fact that Phillips screws suck for any and all applications. Allen are almost as bad for relatively high torque applications in small sizes - especially when manufactured with low precision using butter-soft alloys. OK for larger sizes. I prefer Robertsons to any of the above for many applications.

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by mcatrophy » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:09 am

Screws should have Loctite on them, responsibility is with the dealer who fitted the locks to the side cases (not Yamaha directly).

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You should also have protective clear stickers around the frame mount points (supplied with the side cases).

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by escapefjrtist » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:07 pm

Replaced my 15s with stainless M3 X 8 with either phillips or JIS head. Dab of blue loctite and haven't touched them since install!

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by danh600 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:03 am

Damn, nobody in town has m3x11. Found some longer ones. I might be able to use a washer or two to make those work.

If that doesn't work I can get 50 of them off Amazon by Wednesday for like $7. Cheaper than driving to the city to keep looking.

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by FJR Turbine » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:32 pm

danh600 wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:03 am
Damn, nobody in town has m3x11.
Usually people have that magic special fastener place in or near their city. Mine happens to be Tacoma Screw and Fastener. They do have an online version with those M3...even in Stainless at a reasonable price..for 100.

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Re: RE: Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by extrememarine » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:54 pm

I have an Ace Hardware near by that is my go-to for metric fasteners. This one has a pretty extensive metric section, but other Ace stores do not.
danh600 wrote:Damn, nobody in town has m3x11. Found some longer ones. I might be able to use a washer or two to make those work.

If that doesn't work I can get 50 of them off Amazon by Wednesday for like $7. Cheaper than driving to the city to keep looking.

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by danh600 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:53 pm

Actually a little longer screw will work. Shimming it up with washers does not. No clearance on top but the longer screw go right in without clearance problem.

Blue lock tight and all works fine.

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Re: Two screws holding the saddle bag lock.

Post by FJRoss » Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:18 pm

Dremel with a cutoff wheel is pretty good to fix a machine screw that is too long.

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