What did you do to your FJR today?

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Re: What did you do to your FJR today?

Post by BkerChuck » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:14 am

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I would think that riding a motorcycle would not get you in trouble, unless you're doing something juvenile, dangerous, or illegal that would give officers a different reason to pull you over.

Disclaimer: I am not an attorney, law enforcement officer, doctor, or politician.
So what you're saying is that JWilly is doomed? :stickpoke:

Oh yeah, rode mine to work again today.
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Post by wheatonFJR » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:08 am

At no time have I ever seen jwilly do anything of the sort.






Of course, it could be because I was too far back and a couple curves behind him?

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Post by ionbeam » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:01 am

Pulled the wheels off my FJR, it's currently floating in mid air. Today will be tiring. I get see how fun 44°F PR4s are to wrestle off & on.

Surprise! My front brake pads are due to be changed. It'll have to wait for another day. I'll do the oil/filter at the same time.

Surprise! The front ABS sensor is frozen in the housing. It is currently enjoying a long soak in penetrating oil.

No surprise, my rear brake pads are almost new looking.

The tires coming off have 10,065 miles on them. The rear tire (PR4 GT) is entirely through the tread on both sides but there is a little tread left in the center. The rear tire took a drywall screw at ~3,000 miles; it went in almost at the edge of the tread and it was at questionable location for repair. Since we were 1,200 miles from home I fixed it and it has been fine. The tire has not become distorted looking like previous tires. It took 3 grams of weight to balance the tire.

The front tire, also a PR4 GT, has a faint outline of tread remaining from sidewall to sidewall. This tire also is not distorted. It took zero grams to balance the tire. I have marked the inside of my rims so I know the heavy spot. At the drag strip there was no discernible balance issue at considerable speed.

Like all PRx tires, the handling has become steadily more truck like as the tread went away. I can't wait to get the new tires on. I don't look forward to putting them on, but once on the bestest fun will return to riding.

Off to breakout the tire irons...
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Re: What did you do to your FJR today?

Post by extrememarine » Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:19 am

I had that same surprise when I pulled the forks for service. My rears are ok, but will replace as a set.
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Surprise! My front brake pads are due to be changed. It'll have to wait for another day. I'll do the oil/filter at the same time.
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Post by Hppants » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:21 pm

Did ya'll have one pad on each caliper that was far more worn than the other? Consider swapping the pads to extend the life?

FWIW - I replaced all pads, but I did keep the 1/2 worn pads for hard times in the future.

Apparently, I'm a front brake user - at 63K, my rear pads and linked rear pads still have about 1/2 life left. It was the same for my gen 1 FJR.
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Post by raYzerman » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:59 pm

Alan, you should be glad to have softie sidewalls on those Michelins... you'd never make with a Bridgestone or a Dunflop at those temps.
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Re: What did you do to your FJR today?

Post by ionbeam » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:48 pm

Hppants wrote:
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Did ya'll have one pad on each caliper that was far more worn than the other? Consider swapping the pads to extend the life?...
Surprise! The front ABS sensor is frozen in the housing. It is currently enjoying a long soak in penetrating oil.
Yes, one pad in one caliper was more worn than the other. In the right side caliper (linked) all 4 pads had pretty much equal wear. The plan is to swap pads on the left caliper but sooner than later I'm going to have to replace the thin pad. Having had zero income since last August is catching up to me making little purchases like brake pads an unexpected and expensive surprise.

The brake pads and my ABS sensor being stuck in the housing are related. My poor '15 has seen a lot of water, much of it has been truly pounding rain for days in a row so nothing drys out and the water gets driven into every little gap. Rain has never been a deterrent to my riding, it only changes what I wear when I leave. During the past couple of years I have done an exceptionally large amount of riding in heavy rain.

The reason for the uneven pad wear is brake piston(s) not retracting because the seal area and the caliper is dirty and the caliper is not sliding freely causing one pad to slightly drag. I will pull the pads, clean the calipers and pistons then swap the pads around.

The reason the ABS sensor wouldn't come out is due to corrosion. The penetrating oil did nothing to free the sensor. I ended up making a fixture to separate the sensor flange from the ABS housing. It remains to be seen if the sensor survived the ordeal. I have seen this before with car ABS sensors where the corrosion gets worse and worse until it actually crushes the sensor causing it to fail. While I could just leave the sensor in the housing during a tire change I believe it would eventually lead to a sensor failure. I last had the sensor out of the housing 10,065 miles ago; less than a year.

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If I had the proper tools I would cut a circular groove around the sensor hole for an O-ring. I'm going to setup my drill press with a brush to clean up the sensor hole and clean the top of the sensor. I'm going to use a NON METALLIC anti seize around the top of the sensor and put a thin film of plumbers putty on the flat surface; any excess will then get squeezed out as the sensor is tightened. This will leave a very thin film that will prevent water intrusion but not affect the spacing of the sensor to the reluctor wheel.

And now, back to the tires that I have been taking a brake, err beak from.

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Re: What did you do to your FJR today?

Post by FJRoss » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:16 pm

I use a bit of dielectric grease on the ABS sensor housing. (As well as on the brake slider pins) Seems to hold up reasonably - at least I haven't had the sensor stick since the first time I removed a wheel.

Yamaha is very proud of their brake pads for Gen II and III. I have gone with the EBC HH pads for replacement.
If your rear brake is in good shape then your linked front should be near pristine. Two free brake pads to use where you want. Switch the two thinnest ones to the linked lower front and you should be good. Swap the other set inside-to-outside and worry about buying new ones next year.

So if today was tiring, will next week be exhausting?
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Post by extrememarine » Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:47 pm

I've rotated mine to have even wear of the front pads. I do have a set of OEM take-offs should I need them; I've been running the EBC HH pads.
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Did ya'll have one pad on each caliper that was far more worn than the other? Consider swapping the pads to extend the life?

FWIW - I replaced all pads, but I did keep the 1/2 worn pads for hard times in the future.
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Post by ice_station_zebra » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:21 pm

I'll be looking at the brake pads this week as well, but today in between polishin' up stuff I got the new battery set up and on the charger.

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Post by gixxerjasen » Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:05 pm

ionbeam wrote:
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Pulled the wheels off my FJR, it's currently floating in mid air. Today will be tiring. I get see how fun 44°F PR4s are to wrestle off & on.
I tell you, it's almost a toss up. At 44F they are a bitch to get on, but again, it's 44F. Mine always seem to go out in the middle of summer, so I can let them sit in the 110F sun and they get so nice and soft, but still, I'm changing tires in 110F. There really is no winning in the war against tires.
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Re: What did you do to your FJR today?

Post by raYzerman » Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:46 pm

Just clean up, grease both the housing and the sensor with silicone grease, it doesn't wash out. Check again at next tire change. Surprised you didn't get error messages from corrosion bridging...
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Re: What did you do to your FJR today?

Post by ionbeam » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:37 am

raYzerman wrote:
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...Surprised you didn't get error messages from corrosion bridging...
On my Gen III there is a sleeve around the sensor where it goes through the ABS housing, the corrosion didn't reach the metal part of the sensor. It was a problem getting the corrosion out of the mounting hole. Given the rain right now and thunderstorms later today it will be another day before I can check for the dreaded ABS fault symbol.

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Post by Hppants » Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:57 am

Regarding uneven brake pad wear, When I changed the pads, I cleaned up the pins and put a SMALL dab/film of lubriplate on them - I can only tell you that back when I did brake jobs on dinosaurs, i was taught to use Lubriplate on all pivot points and moving parts. My dad bought me a tube and said it would last me the rest of my life - I've had it 35 years and I think he may be correct.

Regarding the pistons, I take a dry toothbrush and just try to knock off all of the dirt. Doing this always concerns me that I'm going to shove some dirt under the boot and that may make the piston seals vulnerable. Alan - I'd be interested in learning more about technically how your clean your brake calipers during pad service.
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Post by raYzerman » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:21 am

All of the FJR sensors at least Gen2/3 have a plastic insulator sleeve around them to prevent a ground path. Aluminum oxide dust if built up has bridged, causing a ground path that has caused error codes... probably moreso if wet. Not always a problem, but many have had those issues. Sometimes they will get wet (on the inside, mostly front) and intermittently will cause cruise control engagement issues until it dries out. Ignition cycle sometimes will cure it until it dries out. Good spot for a light film of dielectric or silicone grease.
While you're at it, make sure your clutch and brake lever switches are clear of any grit/dirt that prevents the plungers from fully extending. Contact cleaner once in a while usually rinses it out, the odd person has had to replace switches.
I clean pistons by compressed air, then with a toothbrush dry to start, with a little brake fluid (not brake cleaner, it can harden seals), then maybe again with isopropanol, but definitely a rinse with isopropanol at minimum as that will remove oily residues. Good for cleaning any oily stuff and brake fluid off paint, will not harm paint at all. If oily/glue residue won't come off, use naptha first (Seafoam, WD40, camp stove fuel, lighter fluid), won't harm paint either, but clean up with isopropanol. Best done at every tire change, remove pads, clean pins, etc. as preventative measure, might help pads wear more evenly as caliper stays free to float. If any pulsing, get a wooden dowel or something to spin the rivets on your rotors, they need to float too (you may notice a click, as the rivet/rotor clearance comes into play as it likely did when it was brand new).
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Post by Uncle Hud » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:35 am

After several unsuccessful attempts to repair a broken mirror stay ... including two dances with JB Weld ... I drilled a hole in it and used three high-strength wire ties to strap that sucker tight.

Sigh. Beaten into submission by an inanimate object.
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Post by Blueridgerider » Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:19 am

I gave my Kawi Z900 some much needed love yesterday on the first day of the SC stay at home order. I have it set up for touring and is such a comfortable bike ergonomically for my height and weight in contrast to the way it looks. I can ride all day on it without issue. Tremendous HP, torque, and handling as well. The FJR is not that far off though in every way.

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For those who know the area, I rode RT 11, 276, 215, BRP, 281( just a fantastic twisty road), 178, 288 to home which was about a 200 mile loop. Here are my observations from the ride.

First of all, Has There Ever Been A Better Time To Ride A Motorcycle Than Now???. I do not think so as the roads were practically empty on an 85 degree day (68 on the Parkway) and I did not see a single LEO anywhere. It is amazing that some people still do not get it as I group of 3 guys on bikes pulled into a small lot where I was taking a breather before you head up 276. It was one persons first ride on his new Honda and he was really excited. They were nice but all came over to look at my bike, offered me gum and started small talk. Hardly 6 feet apart so had a LEO come by we all could have been fined or arrested. Just the 3 alone were violating the rules as I know them. That was the only group of more than 2 I saw all day. Needless to say I left skid marks up 276 and got away from them as soon as possible.

In Travelers Rest SC on 276 a church was offering a free bag lunch to anyone who wanted one! What an awesome gesture! Ham and cheese, chips, power drink etc. They could not have been nicer and it sure came in handy for the ride.

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On 281 which again is just a fantastic road between 215 and 64 I came across this logging truck. It was a good reminder to never get complacent and slow down. As you can see he was often in the other lane on curves. There was a time a car had to go off the shoulder to avoid him. :shock: :shock:

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As bad as this Covid 19 is there are silver linings everywhere and being able to ride a motorcycle is certainly a big one. I hope everyone is able to get out and enjoy life during this and that you all are well.
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Post by ionbeam » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:06 pm

FJRoss wrote:
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I use a bit of dielectric grease on the ABS sensor housing...So if today was tiring, will next week be exhausting?
Well, yes, I will be exhausted next week. Sort of. My Cobra heat shield grew a very nice carpet of rust over the winter that needs fixin' and I have some Simichrome polish that will spruce up the cans.

My cars have had 'snake pit' equal length headers that fry spark plug boots even with heat shielding around the boots. I have some silicon boot release grease for the plugs that will be repurposed to the ABS sensor. This grease will also find its way onto my coil-overs when I do my plugs.
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I've rotated mine to have even wear of the front pads. I do have a set of OEM take-offs should I need them; I've been running the EBC HH pads.
I do rotate my pads when I clean the calipers. My OEM take-offs are for a Gen I :-( The new pads will be sintered EBC HH, these are the pads I have put on all my bikes. I find that I usually have to use a pad backing because the tend to squeak unless the rotors are smooth.
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...I cleaned up the pins and put a SMALL dab/film of lubriplate on them...

Regarding the pistons, I take a dry toothbrush and just try to knock off all of the dirt. Doing this always concerns me that I'm going to shove some dirt under the boot and that may make the piston seals vulnerable. Alan - I'd be interested in learning more about technically how your clean your brake calipers during pad service.
As long as I diligently keep the moving parts clean I don't use a lubricant on most brake parts. I haven't been as diligent as normal and deserve what I got with my front brake pads -- a self inflicted wound. I do have some Lubriplate leftover from drum brake days; I may be mistaken but I don't think the 110 calcium Lubriplate is recommended for disk brakes.

Every time I service my brakes I clean everything. I use a paint safe spray brake cleaner and -- -- -- toothbrushes. I collect clean toothbrushes in different styles and sizes, I have a coffee can full of brushes. (If someone were to hear me as I work you would be able to hear the calipers being instructed on good hygiene.) I have had very good results using CRC Brākleen but it isn't sold in some states. Wear gloves, do not ingest, do not spray directly into eyes... I have some child size brushes and some adult brushes that have varying bristle types which make a good crud buster with the brake cleaner. I have run out of pipe cleaners but haven't needed them anyplace on the FJR. Paper towel, if you can find any these days, can be rolled into long snakes that can be slipped into tight spaces.

To clean the slider pins I gently chuck the pins in a portable drill or my drill press, then at low speed I give them a light rubbing with fine (red) Scotch Brite as they spin, then flip ends and do the other half. After that is done I roll them on a flat surface to be sure they are straight. After cleaning the pad support (spring clip) I put it on the flat surface to be sure it isn't distorted.

I try to service one caliper at a time. With the caliper off I put on a set of really worn pads then using something the thickness of the rotor I gently press the brake until the worn pads just touches the simulated rotor then pull out the 'rotor' and remove the worn pads. This extends the pistons as far as practical. Clean the pistons and seal area. Push the dry, clean pistons back into the caliper bore. I extend the rear piston the same way as the fronts and give the piston and seal area a good cleaning, push in the piston and continue with the cleaning. I can usually spin the brake piston by hand to get good access all the way around the parts. It remains to be seen how this will go with the four piston front calipers. You do not want the extra work of accidentally popping out one or more caliper pistons.
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Too funny Wheaton :lol: Of course that is not me just in case others might think so. :shock: It was a curbside delivery. That was really something that they were giving out free food like that in our neck of the woods. Are you able to get out and ride some?
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